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• At 21 March '06 - 07:09 Bram wrote:

  

  I’ve seen the documentary too and even though every major event in American history has a some conspiracy theory behind it, I must say I was intrigued by the story behind 9/11. Especially the Pentagon-crash made me think…

  
  

• At 21 March '06 - 08:10 stefan wrote:

  

  Yes, I’ve seen this. I also wrote about it … it’s very interesting and it’s a shame (though probably not that surprising given the content of the documentary) that this documentary hasn’t been picked up yet by the bigger media.
  
  I definitely support the recommendation for people to watch the documentary.

  
  

• At 21 March '06 - 12:26 Kenneth wrote:

  I’d say they are stretching the facts a bit thin, but I do agree that the Pentagon couldn’t have been hit by a plane…the wings would have broken from the plane at the point where it impacted the side of the building. But then again, I thought that was odd on Day 1.

  
  

• At 24 March '06 - 12:07 GRID8400 wrote:

  

  Yep.. this is absolute a MUST SEE!! (also wrote and linked about this doc on my blog). It’s scary to think about stuff like this if only half of it is true. And to be honest, I believe more than half is true in this doc. Anyways.. a must see..again..

  
  

• At 24 March '06 - 15:21 GRID8400 wrote:

  

  http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240306s..

  
  

• At 25 March '06 - 13:44 Christian Montoya wrote:

  

  I was promoting this one a few weeks ago… I’ve seen a couple 911 documentaries but this one is definitely the best. The evidence, especially the photos and footage, is irreputable.

  
  

• At 25 March '06 - 14:06 Marco wrote:

  

  This kind of stuff does make me wonder… don’t the American people care? This stuff is here, readily available for anyone to view but it doesn’t seem to cause anything really…

  
  

• At 26 March '06 - 00:06 Matthijs wrote:

  

  Indeed strange. I think it’s because this stuff is so hard to believe. Even for us “skeptical” people. Let alone for an average American citizin. I can imagine that this is hard to digest for even the most anti-bush person. If even half of this would be true, it would be so, how do I say this, incredible. Imagine the impact this would have on world politics!
  Personally I think the evidence presented is convincing. However, I cannot confirm that the facts presented are true. For example, is it true that a) using mobile phones from an aircraft was not possible at that time? b) The pentagon had indeed a hole the size of which was too small for a boeing hitting it. I personally don’t have tapes from the broadcasts so I cannot check this. c) the steel in the towers could not have melted from the fire? d) the collapsing of the building 7 was not caused by the other tower falling on it?
  But because anyone who wants to can have access to the original broadcasts, these things can be investigated. That’s one reason I have some doubts about this. If these things can be so easily checked, why hasn’t this been in the news so much?
  Also, the thing with (conspiracy) theories like these is that if you start with a certain believe (in this case the government has something to do with the attacks) and then start looking for evidence, if you search enough you’ll find it. It’s the same with UFO’s. Once you believe in them you’ll find evidence everywere. People with photo’s, films, eye witnesses, experts with good explanations, etc etc.
  Well, it’ll be interesting to see how this develops, to say the least.

  
  

• At 26 March '06 - 02:10 GRID8400 wrote:

  

  @Matthijs: “...If these things can be so easily checked, why hasn’t this been in the news so much?..” Its starting to get in the news.. before people where affraid to open there mouth. Remember Bush his words?? “If you aren’t with us, you are with them?..”... Anyways. Check the link I posted earlier. American people are starting to ask questions, and it is getting in the mainstream news (cnn)

  
  

• At 26 March '06 - 03:35 Matthijs wrote:

  

  g@grid8400: Yes, you are right. As I said, the idea alone is already so horrible. At this moment I’m watching another documentary, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=..,

  
  

• At 29 March '06 - 21:20 fly4life wrote:

  WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! yes your government can and will betray you for the greater good .Lets not forget operation northwoods,that is a very real official un-classified document and has been floating around washington since 62 .Now lets see who has been positioning themselves in government since then,... daddy bush,head of c.i.a. vice prez and prez,carlyle group,rumsfeld,cheney,the time has come in the form of bush jr the parity to hitler is uncanny

  
  

• At 30 March '06 - 19:37 mark wrote:

  

  Loose Change is a slick mix of hoaxes with some real evidence.
  http://www.oilempire.us/loose-change.htm..
  
  THE REAL ISSUES OF COMPLICITY
  
  WHERE Flight 77 hit – the nearly empty, recently reconstructed and strengthened sector
  
  WHAT hit the Pentagon – Flight 77, probably electronically hijacked
  
  HOW the air defenses did not protect the Pentagon, even after the towers had been hit
  
  WHO scheduled multiple war game exercises, including a “plane into building” scenario
  
  WHY 9/11 was allowed to happen (and given technical assistance)
  
  A list of films with best evidence of 9/11 complicity is at http://www.oilempire.us/movies.html
  
  Denial Stops Here: From 9/11 to Peak Oil and Beyond
  
  The Truth and Lies of 9/11
  
  The Great Conspiracy: the 9/11 News Special You Never Saw
  
  9/11 Citizens Commission (New York City, 9/9/2004)
  
  http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-truth.h.. – 9/11 activists debunk the “Pentagon Missile” hoax
  
  http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-hole.ht.. – the “small hole” claims are false
  
  http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos... – photos of Boeing debris
  
  http://www.oilempire.us/state.html
  politics and psychology of 9/11 disinformation

  
  

• At 02 April '06 - 04:43 Jim in CA wrote:

  

  I’ve got a physics degree from Northwestern U, and at first i was skeptical of what my friend who’d seen Loose Change was telling me. After seeing the doc, i still feel the “explosions” in the WTC could have been from pressure in the collapose, but the Pentagon evidence is irrefutable…there is NO wing tip damage. That evidence alone makes me consider the controlled collapse theory of the WTC. scary!!!
  
  Has anyone read “Watchmen”? This reminds me of that plot.

  
  

• At 05 April '06 - 11:22 joe wrote:

  

  loose change is a bunch of heartpounding bunk and melodrama
  
  towers explosion was inconsistent with demolition footage. towers exploded top down, the weight of the upper floors crushed lower floors level by level.
  
  also inconsistent and biased reporting on pentagon. a far greater preponderance of people said they saw commercial jetliner crash pentagon. and somehow he disproportionately showed one person say commercial plane and all other accounts say helicopter or army plane. don’t be defrauded by a loser with a crackpot thesis who gathers one sided info to support his specious claim

  
  

• At 07 April '06 - 17:08 Creepyfox wrote:

  

  Sorry guys, but this video is a hoax. =(
  Do a little research.
  
  Even 911 conspiracy theorists roll their eyes at this one.

  
  

• At 15 April '06 - 23:01 Cara wrote:

  

  Wow this is really kind of creepy but it makes sense you know. I really think people need to start standing up and asking questions because if we dont we are all going to be doomed its crazy to how much this all makes sense and yet it doesn’t really surprise me!

  
  

• At 16 April '06 - 12:31 Suppa K wrote:

  

  im not gunna say all this is true, but i belive almost all of it, i mean clevland, controlled collopse, everything. About the contolled collapse, ok in the video when the tower is imploding.. around the very bottom one of the sides of the front of the tower burst, or explode, but the implosion was still too far away from the bottom withen those few seconds for it to have been pressure, impossible, also, the evidence of how buildings just dont fall when they burn for 20 minutes. Sure maybe some bulidings, but you would think the world trade center would not be one of them. Also, again with the Pentagon, now yes it could have easly been a bomb, we have no proof of a plane, those “peices” could easly have been something else, or even a different plane, deffinitly not a Boeing. and why did the FBI take all footage, no tapes, anything surrounding this had been released. Again with the crash of flight 93, a ENTIRE flight of people at least 20 people using cell phones, thats impossible. Yes maybe one, or two, maybe five, worked but not as many as they said, also the conversations just seemed to weird. One guy even used his whole name, when you call your mom from YOUR cell phone, when did you use your full name. The proof is here, its undeniable, you CAN NOT deny ANY of this proof, untill the FBI stands up, and actually debunks it for sure, other then that NO ONE can say any of this isnt true.

  
  

• At 20 April '06 - 10:12 lightmuzik wrote:

  Yep, an inside job all the way. And anyone who wants to say that the weight of the top floors of the towers were enough to bring them down in nearly free-fall speed leaves out one incredibly important ommission that was left out even by the 911 Commision report. That being that both of the towers consisted of a 47 beam Steel core, so how could they fall into themselves?? And why isn’t this in the mainsteam media? Because the media is controlled by government. See what is right in front of your eyes people. Ask questions-Demand answers!

  
  

• At 29 April '06 - 20:21 Cindy wrote:

  

  very interesting..alotmaybetrue her..but ..flight93…familiesgot cell phone calls…those seemed real..do you mean all those famlies werelying about receiving calls from their loved ones who were going to fight the terrorists…any thoughts here/?

  
  

• At 06 May '06 - 12:20 Bernie wrote:

  Well I have just found out about the movie and it is a real shock.
  I see the posts are already old. I hope the frenezy is not ever yet and that people are still sharing the movie with the ones they know. That is what I am doing.

  
  

• At 06 May '06 - 14:23 Alex wrote:

  

  “Yes, I’ve seen this. I also wrote about it … it’s very interesting and it’s a shame (though probably not that surprising given the content of the documentary) that this documentary hasn’t been picked up yet by the bigger media.”
  
  there are many reasons why the media won’t pick this up.
  
  1. No one in the higherr up has yet to support this, no one has attachted their name to it, although i like what the maker is doing who is he to cause an investigation of 9/11
  2. The theory is so unbelieveable and unreal that many would be afraid to agree with it, the idea that the government would attack its own people is “proposterious” when I looked at the edivence I realized how scary it is, and it put me into shock.
  3. Media doesn’t liek to take chances, they just print facts and dont like to get into trouble. There was a man named “Tricky” Dick Nixon. Little did people know he planned had people attempt to steal important documents about him. when Woodword and Bernstein (two reporters working for Washington Post news at the time) came up with this story it was put down by most people, most eventually realized the truth after but, WASHINGTON POST LOST CONSERVATIVE PATRONS, and had to take a large risk, there is really no incentive for the media to show a documentary of 9/11 like this
  4. All of the judging of the facts seems to be left up to viewers, not experts, he asks you why something looks strange yet no experts agree…..

  
  

• At 07 May '06 - 11:39 Gemini Jackson wrote:

  http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/..

  
  

• At 10 May '06 - 07:50 Suppa K wrote:

  

  Well about the phone calls, the families did get real call’s, just they were susposably fake.. And yes, I too also am trying to spread this video.. But the only problem is that the idea of it is so out of context and abnormal, and just, “proposterous”, that people just laugh at you, or just say its wrong, and that its impossible, but I mean is it THAT impossible? Think about it, whos to say something like this cant happen?

  
  

• At 13 May '06 - 17:09 Stephen James Sakamoto wrote:

  

  I’ve examined the rudimentary aspects of 911 and realise that the deeper and darker circle of conspiracy before and since 911 actually happened. Chris Carter{X-Files, The Lone Gunmen} has an interesting take on the issue of 911 even before it took place and maybe it was entertainment with some specious dramatic effects concocted but the reality is far more deadly than a TV Show! It is amazing to know that the specific episode took place before 911 happened and the chilling subject of Terrorism becomes a reality and the ramifications are brutally transparent for anyone to see.
  
  Now there are some who will criticise me for using examples from TV Shows and maybe bring up some interesting Lyrics… but I believe that ART, Music, Shows and Performances reveal a lot more than one can summise on their own. I have been in tuned to this spiritual malady since I was really young… around 13 years old with great songs by Sham 69’s – ‘Tell The Children’, The Clash’s – ‘Washington Bullets’, The Damned’s – ‘In Dulce Decorum’, The Stranglers’ – ‘Who Wants The World’, The Lords Of The New Church’s – ‘Open Your Eyes’
  and many other artists who have spoken out against tyranny through the medium of music…
  
  The Lords Of The New Church
  » Open Your Eyes(Bator/James)
  
  Video games train the kids for war. Army chic in high-fashion
  stores.
  Law and order’s done their job. Prisons filled while
  the rich still rob.
  Assassination politics. Violence rules within’ our nation’s midst.
  Well ignorance is their power tool. You’ll only know what they want you to know.
  The television cannot lie. Controlling media with smokescreen eyes. Nuclear politicians picture show. The acting’s lousy but the blind don’t
  know.
  They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are.
  You taste the fear when you’re all alone. They gonna git’cha when you’re on your own.
  The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy.
  You gotta WAKE UP from your sleep. ‘Cause meek inherits earth…six feet
  deep.
  
  OPEN YOUR EYES SEE THE LIES RIGHT IN FRONT OF YA.
  Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya.
  Open your eyes…..
  
  
  Like these bands who have chosen to speak out and speak to you as a human being and the potential of YOU becoming the MEDIA and make a movie, CD or DVD of music, Events, Protests, Actions, and Drumming Concerts! We all must stand up and make our own way, we must make huge sacrifices for the future and the children of tomorrow. Do something locally and tell your friends via the Internet… tell everyone and go out and DO IT! Pass It Forward your Video, CD, DVD or whatever your choice of MEDIA... Make the revolution a reality!
  
  “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” – John Fitzgerald Kennedy
  
  Stephen James Sakamoto

  
  

• At 26 August '06 - 22:06 Fresh wrote:

  

  This doc is truth. People need to stop blindly believing the bullshit information we recieve from mainstream media. Our government is corrupt. This was completely planned out. I believe that Americans need to see this film. Education is the first step towards making a change. I feel obligated to spread the word and get people watching. I have an idea. Theres a new film on 911 comming out soon. I’m going to make buisness cards that say GET THE TRUTH with the link to the loose change site , and hand them out at my local movie theater. I hope others will do the same and join the quest to spread the truth.

  
  

• At 27 August '06 - 03:12 supp k wrote:

  

  Ya mn I feel th same way, I may not be as commited as you to go to my local crown and heand out cards, but tlittle things lik putting the video on your site,or mysapce is also good, yI have told all my friends, one of there moms eeven watched the video.
  
  But I doubt the truth will be heard, Its happened so long go, nd so man people seemo be able t“debunk” it, and espcially with all these filsm its even harder making it seems as if the whole tragidy was fine and dandy and that nowwe make movies of the heroes that where involved in it, makes you wonder why no one seems to care that now 2 movies are on it. its only been about 5 years, thats not that lng, espcially not long enough to make TWO movies about it, and have no one seem to care.

  
  

• At 21 December '06 - 19:16 morenice wrote:

  

  i also watched this documentary couple of times…n i do believe that our own government did this…..government is corrupted, no doubt, but we have to look at the bigger picture…thousand of people died…for no reason…AT ALL!!!! if this documentary is true..the government has no rights to kill people, to make something better, and if Bin landen did this…he still has no right to do it….if u wanna F*** up the government get in the white house n blow his ass up…but do not take it on innocent people that were just working. But i still believe that our government did this…i dont even know what to say….its like a movie, but this time it was real…thousand of people kill in an istant….New York was changed physical n mentally..The U.S was change and the world was changed. I am only 17 years old, n i know that this documentary hasnt been on the media, because the media is control by the government, point blank. So lets just pass this documentary around and try to revolutionize the world, by giving inside info to those who are not well inform….. we need to stand up and make our voices count…

  
  

• At 02 January '07 - 12:05 Big A wrote:

  I have showed people this video and they thinks its fake. Those people think that they know everything and this video is just nothing. But I believe this video is great and has some strong pieces of evidence.

  
  

• At 07 February '07 - 07:05 Liviu wrote:

  

  All this 9/11 Conspiracy is quite pathetic. The Pentagon was hit by a plane, There are more eyewitnesses that saw a plane hit the Pentagon, then the eyewitnesses that didn’t. Somehow, the eyewitnesses that saw the plane are not good enough, only the ones that saw only an explosion or a rocket are good eyewitnesses. Even a USAToday reporter saw the plane crash into the Pentagon, but that reporter must indeed have worked for the Bush Administration as a cover-up reporter. Right?
  
  This whole mumbo jumbo is so pathetic it makes me want to gag. I did an extensive Google research, searching both blogs and news media websites. All the theories melt away like butter. I’m sure if you believe something with everything you got, it’s very easy to not see the facts clearly. All you care is the facts that props up your theories.
  
  Controlled demolishion? How many of you know anything about controlled demolishion. They blow up the building from the bottom up, not from top down. Every fractions of a second a new series of bombs blows, going all the way up the building. The building falls down like a sand castle.
  
  I guess these demolishion bomb guys were very extremely smart, they blew the WTC backwards.
  
  What a bunch of crock! You guys who believe in this junk needs to wake up. Theories without substance or evidence is not truth, it’s mere speculation. Speculation is not evidence.
  
  Thank-you!

  
  

• At 07 February '07 - 07:53 Liviu wrote:

  

  It’s funny! I can compare all these 9/11 Theories to the Theory of Evolution. All the Laws of Genetics and All the Laws of Physics contradict Evolution, but the Theory still stands in our Educational Facilities are pure FACTs. No, so called intellectuals even want to debate the fallacies of the theories.
  
  One only has to open up a Genetics Book to come to the conclusion that the Simple Cell, as Evolutionists so glamorously put it, it extremely complicating. The Simple Cell, can feed itself, it can repair itself, it can duplicate itself, besides this it has a highly complex communication system that searches the DNA for information of how to do all the stuff I just mentioned. Somehow, the RNA knows how to read and interpret the DNA code. Does that sound simple to you?
  
  All Life is made of dead matter. How can Nature by Itself organize dead matter into a life is beyond me. Nature can’t even build a simple log cabin. How much more complicating and organized is a “Simple Cell” compared to a Log Cabin? To simply put it, Evolutionists basically believe that disorganized matter, organized, disorganized matter. Of course, they don’t say that, but that is what is logically implied.
  
  Coming back to these 9/11 Theories. Don’t believe them, until you first check out the other-side of the fence. You might be surprised what you find there. I would be absolutely mad if someone was trying to pass truth as lies. Wouldn’t you?
  
  Thanks Again!

  
  

• At 07 February '07 - 07:59 Liviu wrote:

  

  Minor Correction! At the end I said Truth as Lies, I meant to say Lies as Truths.
  
  Sorry!

  
  

• At 19 February '07 - 23:58 mind1ilL wrote:

  Our government did it. Its pretty obvious. Theres even better videos out there than just loose change also.

  
  

• At 28 February '07 - 17:31 kramer wrote:

  

  Let’s keep in mind the victims that suffered their lives in this tragic event – their blood cries out for justice. Whoever is responsible for the terror will pay for their crimes eventually. I pray for our troops and the families that lost loved ones, both 911 and the war on terror.

  
  

• At 11 March '07 - 18:16 hmm? wrote:

  LA la la llla la laaa la. whats this web site about?

  
  

• At 13 March '07 - 03:33 PhYk wrote:

  

  NOS MUSiC a world wide know DJ group will be hosting this doco on their website. I have watched it and some of it may be a bit over the top but the facts are there that the government is lying.
  
  Phyk
  
  DJ/Webmaster of http://www.nosmusic.org

  
  

• At 22 March '07 - 18:50 sean wrote:

  it’s not making an impact?? are you crazy? it’s a race for the truth.
  
  http://www.INFOWARS.com
  
  listen to the radio for some good information

  
  

• At 16 July '07 - 11:00 hi wrote:

  

  the thurth will one day come out.

  
  

• At 19 April '08 - 22:37 psikeyhackr wrote:

  

  There are these buildings called skyscrapers.
  
  The peculiar thing about these buildings is that they are VERY TALL.
  
  Now the people who design these building have to carefully decide how much concrete and steel to put on every level. Every level must be strong enough to support the combined weights of all levels above. The designers know this. So if a 175 ton airliner supposedly causes a 500,000 ton building to collapse straight down doesn’t it make sense to ask the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level? Shouldn’t that be easy because it had to be documented to construct the building?
  
  So why aren’t EXPERTS asking that and getting answers to such obvious questions after SIX YEARS?
  
  psik

  
  

• At 26 October '09 - 03:58 brueck wrote:

  

  the second edition and the third edition as well as the “final cut” are all much less convincing, and broadcasted by FOX Entertainment.
  where is the first edition of “loose change” – it is the only one that “asks questions and demands answers”!

  
  

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